‘Roosevelt had an enormous sense of urgency in the crisis and was very afraid that a dictatorial system would take over the United States too. That mood also exists in the European Union today.’

In this wide-ranging conversation occasioned by the release of his The Dream of Europe. Travels in the Twenty-First Century, Geert Mak discusses with the historian Ferenc Laczó why he chose to write a sequel to In Europe. Travels Through the Twentieth Century; how interconnections have led to new tensions; how the European and the democrat in him have quarreled; how he traces undercurrents in society; and how important it is to understand the sources of despair. A conversation with Geert Mak about Europe in our times.